What counts as Commercial Vehicle

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Just thinking about this new Bailey thing and the Defender

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Caravan manufacturers used to have a clause in the warranty terms voiding cover if the caravan is towed by a commercial vehicle but there was usually a rider to exclude LandRovers from that voiding - go back 30 years and it would have been shooting themselves in the foot if the didn't allow towing by LandRovers.

According to the Bailey website, they now specify "only be towed by a private car or private 4x4 vehicle" for their Alutec range - I'm not sure what the full legal definition of "private" is but I guess a LandRover used for business purposes wouldn't be permitted.

The big irony is that half of caravans are delivered to dealers are towed behind a commercial flat-bed truck and most dealers use pickups for commercial purposes to move caravans around.

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….the tow vehicle would have to have a Maximum Authorised Mass of over 3500kgs to be able to tow the Bailey Retreat which is over length for lighter vehicles.

The driver would need a C1+E license to drive the tow vehicle as a minium requirement.

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Martin24 wrote:

Just thinking about this new Bailey thing and the Defender

Are you thinking of going into the Transport Business ????

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Jonny Rockstar wrote:

Martin24 wrote:

Just thinking about this new Bailey thing and the Defender

Are you thinking of going into the Transport Business ????

No thank you, enjoying very early retirement!! and will stay that way! Do you need a tow then??

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Gafferbill wrote:

 

….the tow vehicle would have to have a Maximum Authorised Mass of over 3500kgs to be able to tow the Bailey Retreat which is over length for lighter vehicles.

The driver would need a C1+E license to drive the tow vehicle as a minium requirement.

 

Thanks for that!

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Martin24 wrote:

Jonny Rockstar wrote:

Martin24 wrote:

Just thinking about this new Bailey thing and the Defender

Are you thinking of going into the Transport Business ????

No thank you, enjoying very early retirement!! and will stay that way! Do you need a tow then??

 

Wouldn't go from a Coachie to a Bailey - I've seen the "build quality" !!!!!

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Jonny Rockstar wrote:

Martin24 wrote:

Jonny Rockstar wrote:

Martin24 wrote:

Just thinking about this new Bailey thing and the Defender

Are you thinking of going into the Transport Business ????

No thank you, enjoying very early retirement!! and will stay that way! Do you need a tow then??

 

Wouldn't go from a Coachie to a Bailey - I've seen the "build quality" !!!!!

Absolutely not but there are some foreign vans I may be tempted to, having said that the 6 berth laser is top contender at the moment for 2013

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Gafferbill wrote:

 

….the tow vehicle would have to have a Maximum Authorised Mass of over 3500kgs to be able to tow the Bailey Retreat which is over length for lighter vehicles.

The driver would need a C1+E license to drive the tow vehicle as a minium requirement.

 

Nice, but nothing to do with the original question??

One definition of a commercial vehicle could be the tax category that the vehicle falls into. E.g. my pickup is classed as 'commercial' for road tax, while my Santa Fe isn't. I used to have an Astra van and despite just being an Astra estate with the side filled in (it even still had the back seat) it was classed and taxed as commercial. 

On the other hand, my Santa Fe is owned and maintained by a Limited company and provided to me for my job so technically that could be commercial as well. However, I'd take the former definition as the one to follow rather than who owns it as that's the definition people like HMRC use when deciding taxable benefits. They may tax a car as a company car, but if the vehicle is classed ass 'commercial' for road tax then HMRC tax it differently. If the car is classed for road tax as a car then it's not commercial.

There is another way of identifying the two, try and drive over the Severn Bridge or down the M6 Toll and see what they charge! :) 

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Martin24 wrote:

Just thinking about this new Bailey thing and the Defender

Shirker - I think this is EXACTLY the original question !!!

The Defender CAN'T tow the new Bailey Retreat for the reasons given by Gafferbill.

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RogerL wrote:

Martin24 wrote:

Just thinking about this new Bailey thing and the Defender

Shirker - I think this is EXACTLY the original question !!!

The Defender CAN'T tow the new Bailey Retreat for the reasons given by Gafferbill.

 

No it's not: the question was "What counts as Commercial Vehicle" followed by thinking about the Defender. He's not mentioned or asked about tow weights or ratios, he's asked fairly clearly what counts as a 'commercial vehicle' - basically is a Defender a commercial vehicle. Otherwise it would be 'can a Defender pull this Bailey thing?'.

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